yes more drones is good.

perhaps remove some turrets from the domi with DDA's and mags its dps will be insane..
Scorp maybe remove some turrets why 4 turrets anyway?

I'm not sure if anybody has bothered to tell you this yet in life, but I'll go ahead and be the first::

Just because you don't agree with something doesn't make it wrong or factually incorrect.

Is there a specific reason why NPC corp members are allowed to post on the forums?

Read only access, and posting rights to the new player area would suffice.

Did I miss a change to the Hype? Doesn't that have 8 turret slots? Or are you referring to Navy Issue BS only (since this is about Navy Battleships?) On a side note, you guys should make an alternate of those ships. Who wouldn't jazz them up in real..I mean EVE life?

Did you know that a tractor beam brings wrecks and cans closer to you? Not fitting a tractor beam in certain missions will mean a 20-30km trek to go manually pick up the can that is your mission objective. In L5 missions, it means that you are skipping out on sweet sweet tag loot. In pirate L4s, it means that you're leaving 50% of the value of the mission on the floor. It really goes on and on and on and on....

What a silly thing for you to say, really.

-Liang

This is not a practical thing to do. Here's your options:
- Blitz in a BS, come back in a Noctis. Congratulations on being a complete ******* ******.
- Blitz in a BS, loot salvage in a Noctis on an alt. Better, but still worse than...
- Blitz in 2 BS, looting and salvaging as you go. (I've generally seen ~75% of the total value of the mission this way)

Marauders generally work better for this task, which amusingly gets back to the whole part about the Golem being just straight up better at this in every possible way.

-Liang

No, now you're starting to catch up. The new CNR is simply bad in all possible ways. It's bad at PVE, and it's bad at PVP.

-Liang

The new CNR is worse than the old CNR. The old CNR had more effective launchers and more raw DPS. Honestly, the ship you're looking at already exists. And it's not popular for a reason. Because the current CNR is better.

-Liang

Ed: I'd also like to take a moment to make fun of your assertion that the new CNR is better than the old one, yet if the new CNR had 7 launchers and a ROF bonus it'd be OP.

No, I'm not ignoring the cruise missile buff. I'm just assuming that it applies to all ships evenly. But hey, maybe the cruise missile buff only applies to the CNR and I wasn't told about it. As to Foxcats: yes, I agree that they exist. However, I haven't seen them personally. Might be something to do with living in different parts of space and having different experiences in Eve.

But, on the subject of CNRs in PVP: it won't be used because there's no reason to. It doesn't have superior DPS, it doesn't have superior anything. It's just objectively worse at all things than the competition.

-Liang

All ships fitting cruise have more than sufficient range. There's nothing about the CNR that really makes it special on that front - certainly nothing that makes it more special than the Fleet Phoon or standard T1 Typhoon. Care to try again?

-Liang

It'd be both more useful in PVE and PVP. However, I doubt we'd see a nerf based on PVE because even with the buff it still won't be king of PVE.

-Liang

Ed: Also, who's to say the Golem isn't getting changed next? Why, the devs of course. They already told us what's coming up and that Marauders are quite far back on the backlog.

I actually commented on the battleships individually. But here, just because you're a special snowflake:
- Navy Geddon: I highly disapprove of the giant increase in sig radius. It's a totally unwarranted nerf.
- NApoc: I have no comment. I don't fly the Apoc or NApoc now, and don't really intend to. I might fly it with the new changes.
- CNR: I highly disapprove of trading the ROF bonus for 8 launchers. The damage application bonus is a cool idea. I like the extra mid.
- CNS: I am completely mindblown that CCP thinks the ship may be too powerful. The extra low is most likely to be used for fitting mods.
- Navy Mega: Doesn't seem dramatically changed really.
- Navy Domi: So glad he didn't take away the hybrid bonus. The increased calibration is gonna be Awesomeness.
- Fleet Phoon: Fully bonused 6/6 is pretty cool. They seem pretty intent on pushing a shield tank on it and it ate a small mobility nerf. I really preferred the armor tank.
- Fleet Pest: Meh. I own one and don't use it. I doubt I'll use it after this either.

-Liang

Nobody seems to give a damn about the geddon's sig increase. It's probably the next biggest thing on my list.

-Liang

I've mentioned it in this thread. I'll be pushing for a review of this stat because I don't see why the Navgeddon needs to be so fat.

Yes, actually. Sig has always been a part of the Geddon's tank and the increase is quite substantial. The nerf is significantly larger relative to the SNI and NDomi (who always had relatively large sig radiuses)

-Liang

Considering the signature resolution of large turrets is 400 and this change brings the Armageddon from being under that limit to above it, that's a pretty big change.

Wanna talk about another BS? Bring up something. Here's something for you: the Navy Geddon doesn't need to be Fatty McFats over there with a totally unwarranted +70 sig radius nerf.

-Liang

The problem with the CNR discussion is that people who have literally no idea how the ship works are defending the new ship. We've got people defending the new CNR who don't think utility highs are useful in PVP, people who don't know the difference between explo radius and explo velocity, people who don't understand missile damage, people who think you don't need damage mods or painters, etc.

Which, of course, is kinda a big problem. Right now CCP is judging the fact that total incompetents are piping up in favor of bad changes as evidence that the change is a good one. This is exactly equivalent to me using one of my alt accounts to extoll the virtues of the new Navy Mega and Fleet Pest and talk about how they're gonna be just so awesome. And then there'd be a dissenting voice and we're stuck with a **** change. In either case, I'm absolutely not relenting on the CNR (and then the Geddon) until CCP explains why they're smacking it that hard with a nerf hammer.

As to the Geddon's drone bay: It seems excessive and I'd be more than happy to trade it down for decreasing the sig radius. The Navy Mega and Fleet Pest are just unexciting to me. I can't really think of any better alternatives though, so I'm not harping on the subject.

-Liang

This is the Navy BS Feedback thread. If you don't like the feedback for Navy Battleships (the CNR is one), then feel free to leave. If you want to add more feedback about whatever battleship you are concerned about, then do that. However, encouraging me to fork the conversation into a thread that will never be read by CCP is simply not a constructive comment.

However to answer your question: I torp fit my PVP CNRs and torp fits are getting ******* murdered by this change. It's one of the reasons I'm so adamant against it. However, people want to talk about missions because that's the ship's primary use - and it just so happens I know a bit about that as well.

-Liang

I agree that the new CNR is smaller and faster than the old one, unfortunately that's not really a niche we can do a lot with. It's still outright inferior to the Typhoon and Typhoon Fleet in those areas - on top of being inferior in EHP, damage, damage application, rate of fire, drone damage, utility high slots, and more. Yeah - tell me more about how you won't be able to do these sites with the smaller, faster, and more damaging typhoon family.

Honestly, the only reason you're saying the CNR is better than the one you've been flying for five years is because cruise is better than it's been for five years. But cruise isn't just better for the CNR - it's better for everything. The new CNR simply does not have a role.

-Liang